But Dallas, that is not the case here. Once you step out of that or can no longer take part, the machine moves on without you. So be careful, dont shoot before you think. No more baptism. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. And I know I post too much. My Savior stands between I figure whenever Paul was speaking to us through Scripture, he was drawing from his personal knowledge of the Kingdom of God rather than what he thought about it. You have my phone number,. Yep, 90-days would have been about the right time to bail out before their resume became tainted. So you and Dean screwed up. I will be praying for you. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. It is difficult to not imagine that the overly generous salaries passed out at Harvest have a lot to do with the leaders who refuse to call for the opening of the books. The thought has come to me again and again (others have expressed similar views) that the Church seems to recapitulate (history rhyming if not repeating exactly) Old Israel. May you feel Gods presence and peace in the days ahead. Faith Driven Team September 6, 2021 Bio, Christian investor, Voice. Whether its a yes-man or someone the lead guy has dirt on, its easy enough for these types to have a handful in pocket. i understand the losses you describe, and experience them, too. Harvest Bible Chapel on the Lord's Way in Naples was once one of eight campuses of the 40,000-member, Illinois-based Harvest Bible Chapel. Maybe that was why Elmer Gantry had such impact. FOR WITHOUT THEM ONE CANNOT SPEAK OF THE CHURCH. The qualifications are very restrictive for the reason that God wants and needs the best possible candidates to lead His people. More and more people are realizing that they are not going to get the facts from Harvest. I dont see how were in opposition. Having the equipment available to produce, record, and stream the services completely online, Harvest was able to continue to preach Gods Word unapologetically and worship unashamedly. not given to wine Law Prof: Years later, the church long ago destroyed by heavy abuse and the former members scattered, a number of them atheists today, that drama pastor is now into the New Age. What would have been the point to allow comments after asking that? BTW, off topic, yall, but would appreciate prayers for my 94-year-old FIL, who apparently has just days (or even hours) to live. Blaming bloggers and the media for having bad form for discussing the issues, but then admitting that they are true? However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8. You have been on the pulse, on target, and on the money with each and every post I have read on Twitter and now on TWW. I will have to wait until I get to my computer because Im on my phone and the type of the letter is too small to read. Hours . In case this has escaped your awareness, most folks on TWW have experienced abuse in churches. Dallas was complicit in this, and hes still complicit in attempting to hide the truth. The Chosen is Different. I firmly believe we are experiencing another reformation. Begin your journey with the prayer. After seven years, the growing congregation of 500 raised funds in six weeks to secure a former warehouse at 800 S Rohlwing Road in Rolling Meadows. What we have is countless people cutting him some slack . I agree with those who say that Dee is fair with her control of her blog. It's God who opens doors, but we must walk through them. And this being heard is not merely some desire for gossip or vengeance, but a desire to confront evil and protect the rest of the naive flock from being manipulated, abused and otherwise taken advantage of. Turning a blind eye was a full failure. I know you really think more highly of me than you ought. So why not allow comments? Nothing to be ashamed of. We have seen through the falsity of that which proclaims itself the infallible voice of God. Were so far off the original model for doing church, Im not sure we can find our way back. Im of course speaking about Paul. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: I will admit I now find it kind of shocking that a guy who never knew Jesus in life could muscle his way in and call himself an apostle among the other apostles. Everyone who is of the Truth, who is a friend of the Truth and belongs to the Truth, hears and listens carefully to My voice. (Jesus, John 18:37). Growth group leaders, childrens staff and volunteers, and many others were committed to creating ways to safely and faithfully meet together. No longer do I feel like I know, or need to know, or could even remotely grasp the answers to so much of life. I would ask that you take some time to think about it. I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys! Max responding properly (thats all I will say). Dallas Jenkins was a former leader at Harvest Bible Chapel. This resource is better: https://www.archbalt.org/clergy-personnel-division/bishops-priests-deacons/. Hey, if you look at JMACs Instagram he has a pic from fall of 2018 praising Mark Driscolls new book? Remember when we videotaped us all playing The Name Game? The damage lingers. Sadly, I have yet to see even one of these elders or executive staff members repent in a productive, redemptive manner. Guys like you have no fear of God, and this is how this mess happened in the first place. Pathetic at best. My comment as Amy kept not going through so I asked a family member whos previously posted successfully here to try using their account and they posted only half the comment because they thought maybe it was too long. It looks like a church with terminal stage 4 cancer. Cudos for your honesty. Harvest took in over a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in the last 12 yrs and many of their properties were donated free and clear. Im holding out hope that my faith in God will survive, but truth be told, some days that seems uncertain as well (and save yourself the time writing me about how my faith must not have been that deep if indeed Im struggling with God and Jesus). Speaking about things which are painful ultimately helps us to learn, heal, and move on. Thats the reason Adams concocted his scheme. If Dees afraid of Hall, she sure hasnt done a very good job of living it out. Someone asked How high does this go? And theres a high likelihood this statement will get them expelled.. ANYONE who is still in that place who is not a child or a new believer is complicit and participated in shunning all who left. Lets face it, in this era one can access whatever superior teaching is preferred in the comfort of their home or car. His entire enterprise is being exposed as a fraud and a ripoff of the naive, yet he faces no repercussions inflicting so much spiritual, emotional and financial abuse. , but my fans urged me to stay. There is no question that MacDonald was running the elders. In our common language, we use the word elder to describe one who is older than ourselves. As our leaders prayed and sought to plant churches in the city of Chicago, a small congregation with a struggling church in Niles was looking for new life. it is wrong. Neither Dean Butters nor I wanted our letters published. Not exactly the mild and loving spirit of Jesus. This says you are not comfortable with God being in control, or believe he has the power to work in these earthly maters. dee: You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. This moved the church into a season of transitional leadership for the next 27 months. PRESBUTEROS, when translated to our English language becomes elder or presbyter. I truly believe God provides the grace for elders to walk in the attributes in 1Tim 3, You dont have to watch a person for very long to discern whether that person is a grace filled believer or not. I will try and reign it in. Yikes! Shame on you. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them after all, that in case of health problems that make one unable to serve, they are quickly forgotten, that the great majority of those friendships have a tendency to evaporate or even turn to shunning if put to the test; that it was all a grand illusion, after all the time, effort and loyalty invested. For me I choose to pray and let God work, he never ceases to amaze especially when he answers prayer. James mocking his own flock with his outrageous private Cabo party to end all parties, with the $50,000 magician, wont go unanswered. *you are Gods only light at the place of work. The teenage years are an awesome time to grow in Christ. I guess Dallas understands the power of the written word on the internet. What followed, over the course of the remaining time I/we were there at the school and at the church in Elgin, attests to exactly what has been revealed about HBC, almost to a tee, and led to my first-hand interactions with Rick Donald, Fred Adams, and a few select others. That someone who was on the point of dying took time to write these dreams down is remarkable in and of itself. Thats when the insanity really began. Apparently MacDonald had a major meltdown on the stage, yelling so loudly that his spit could be felt by those sitting in the front row of the auditorium. You also have no idea what else is happening. Max: TS00: Or would they even care? Ive heard the voice of my Savior, He makes vague remarks about how the blogs have certain things mistaken, or that their motivations are suspect but doesnt actually bother to correct them on anything specific. They existed to serve him as *yes* men and in that respect, they are quite accomplished. I was in a back and forth with some supporters of another well-known abusive megachurch leader recently, and one of the fans of the leader assumed I was posting under a made-up name and then slammed me for my cowardice as being anonymous. It feels like Im eaten away inside. Walking in the light means not having to cover anything up and not belly aching when God Himself is the one shouting truth and revealing things from His Mountaintop. I wish it wasnt so. Then, I started laughing! Thrilled for both of them as they start their life together. Too bad there is not a single human being on the planet that is qualified. Well said, both TS00 and SiteSeer. You could be the pope for all I know. Hmmm it appears that Lauren and Amy are the same person. I suspect that even MacDonald started out with good intentions (maybe), but when the accolades and money started streaming in started gambling with success. Known for its racial and economic diversity, the congregation moved into a converted warehouse in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, in 1995. The fellowship network of about 120 churches, many of which still have Harvest in their name . About a year ago, Jenkins stepped off the Moody Board of Trustees. His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. Or are we to believe he just held back on refuting all this defamation out of a righteous desire to turn the other cheek? The Elgin Campus held their first service in September 2004 with over 800 in attendance and has become the church home to more than 1000 worshipers every week, as well as the home of our Christian school. The elders in one church have no say over those in another. I was there (our kids went there for 2 too long years) and it was unreal what went on during and after that incident. There were kindergarten through 5th graders AND many of us parents / employees, who did not know it was going to be shown. Dont let the hypocrisy of men lessen your trust in God. I prayed for your father-in-law and your family just now. Releasing a letter to a select few was a half measure response. The pastor was grooming me to be an elder, made hints that I could take over for him someday. How to Resign from a Church a human-designated term. In most of these cases, thats true because the red flags were there. I was a strong donor who loved the church and served in multiple areasI was in a good place spirituallybut I didnt meet the qualifications. Dallas, however, prefers a different medium film. I do know from reading the Acts of Perpetua and Felicity (said to have been written in 203) that church leaders argued with each other. MORE CONCERNING THE ELDERSHIP . chosen by the hand of Jesus? etc. They will return to their secrecy and self-dealing as a dog returns to his vomit, because power and money are that seductive and because if they could keep it a secret during the height of the Harvest scandal, no way will it be discovered at a less notorious church. Samuel Conner: I wonder whether it might not be better to simply abandon the entire property-owning paradigm and return to the original practice of meeting in public places (for large groups) and in homes (for small groups). Almost that exact thing happened at the neocalvinist church I attended. . But that tends to require some kind of a hierarchy where some subset of the larger group comes up with stated or unstated norms and consequences for violating the norms. you have understanding and knowledge and a unique perspective that is valuable. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them (Acts 5:38-39). And after a brief pause in this mission, Harvest is returning to planting more and better churches by raising up more and better Christian leaders across Chicagoland, America, and around the world. (Warning, men, the money supply may be drying up.). In the last two years, 75% of the Executive Leadership team has left HBC. I am watching the SBC be accused of following in the footsteps of the pedophile priests of the Catholic Church. All that we could come up with was that we, and they, were faithful and generous givers and attenders of the mens bible study. And thats before one adds in the problem of self-deception. They engineered the black funds and the worst of the financial abuse. Registration is now closed. not violent Also, your letter simply further bolsters credibility of the excellent work from the Elephants Debt and Julie Roys. you are a very comforting presence here, Max. So when I see the original Church held out for a few generations, I think Wow, amazing foundation!. , Info on the photo is apparently wrong. You made my laugh. We share the common goal of wanting the abuse to stop. And we are in the Lent season. You have also put a few of the people fighting for the cause of God change through the ringer with some of your comments to them on twitter fb. Some comments lead to some questions. honest, at personal cost. I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. The elders would tell people to leave quietly in order to *protect their family. When I did see it, in my home, I was livid that they essentially forced people to go. And today we have 50 year old churches that went afowl 45 years agothey may have all of the teminology down and believe they are the magisterium protecting the truth, but they are dead and Gods Spirit has left. Also want to acknowledge it took courage to write that letter knowing your children might be kicked out of school. Based on my 70-year snapshot of the institutional church, theres a vast difference in what Christ describes vs. what we have put together in this thing we call church. Whew! Harvest Christian Academy currently has more than 500 students, more than 60 staff members, and continues to move forward with a high leadership focus. A few final remarks concerning the pastors. so, if as Max says, if we do not get senile, or too bitter or cynical, our life experinces can at least put current disasters in perspective. sober-minded Can you really fault someone for thinking that maybe they got their ideas on Pastors & elders wrong? Dee fully admits Hall scares her. When I did my own looking into it I found dead ends, contradictions, and all kinds of other things that did not fit the protestant narative I was taught. (In less than a year, he has doubled attendance.) (just like Adam hearkening to his wife in the garden huh?) Feb 14, 2022 . All three words refer to one position or office within the church, that of the elders. Consider the following Scriptures: And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors [POIMEN] and teachers (Ephesians 4:11). Now this is a dichotomy because we are speaking about faith because we cannot know all facts of God, but what is done on this earth is grounded in facts and with witnesses. You have not fully recognized the level of evil that you eagerly participated in in order to promote yourself riding on the coattails of a famous narcissist and personally enrich yourself unrighteously with tithes that the New Testament does not even teach. Dallas Jenkins: Neither Dean Butters nor I wanted our letters published. It was then that the whole sham of our relationship was exposed, and when I rebuffed him he moved on to someone else. Our former pastor was not only being paid far more than the community and congregational average, we were always showering them with paid vacations, new clothing for the kids and cash gifts. Noevangelical: Lowlandseer, Thems shootin words in these parts (Christianville), maam. Its not some future harm. The too big to fail driver kicks in and makes church leaders think and do things they might not otherwise. If leaders and led live like this, the details of polity scarcely matter. You might find people here are a lot more willing to retract and set things right than the crowd youve run with. but again, oodles of people also have personal knowledge of the kingdom of God, through knowing God. Sadly, I was guilty of the same in my day, taking the word of the pastor that those who left us were never one of us. JDV: This verse came to mind: For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God; and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17) The business-first model that seems so pervasive and knocks down just about any scrutiny until there is videotaped evidence would seem to fit somewhere in that spectrum, no? Thousands came and all seven campuses hosted these spectacular services all at one location! What is an egalitarian group to do I when bullies take over? Max: America needs more Vietnamese restaurants than New Calvinist church plants. These snakes congregate in the pit together! Thompson walked away from Harvest in 2013. So join the club. hard for me to imagine a job description for this that commands a big salary, let alone a modest salary. not quarrelsome Ive heard the thunder roll. birdoftheair: Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. Also such leaders do have authority (God-given). So I want to say Than. Most of those Ive heard and experienced who tout elder-rule polity will say that this passage says anything but pew peons having any say in elder or pastor selection and/or accountability. If Paul was out of line, then certainly Luke was to blame for not exposing the sham. God reaches out to us, one on one, and he will continue to administer his healing balm to your soul. Posted on September 7, 1997 by admin I can understand your desire not to become a public figure. Matt Chandler (born June 20, 1974) is the lead pastor of teaching at the Village Church, a Southern Baptist church in Flower Mound, Texas, and the President of the Acts 29 Network. It is a position of authority and responsibility. His client, the alleged molester, told him they were false. Vertical Church Band released four albums through Essential Records: Live Worship from Vertical Church in 2012, The Rock Wont Move in 2013, Church Songs in 2015, and Frontiers in 2016with the last two albums peaking at #1 on the Christian Billboard chart. We find out that the pastor is living in a $2 million house, he said. . As if someone who chooses to remain anonymous has no right to speak. Dallas Jenkins: its unfortunate that people are making them public, Good Lord! But to think you are wholly appointed by God to take pot shots from the distance, not being part of the churches who you blast then Satin has really pulled the wool over your eyes. I can only guess, but I imagine that JMac and Hybels laid very clever traps, grooming and gradually leading people ever further into compromise and, eventually, outright sin. Craig French: Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. Ken F (aka Tweed): Are we any better? Vincent is a coward: came to an old thread less likely to be read and didnt stick around to answer for his comment. As Lauren Diagle says it so very well: Im losing my religion/ To find You/ Im losing my religion, and finding something new/ Cause I need something different/ And different looks like You/. makes me think of being in a warm shower or warm bath, you just dont want to get out. The potty-mouth preacher from Seattle is still a big draw for macho-men-wannabes and hes found a new audience within Assembly of God ranks. There exists nowhere in the entire New Testament any reference to a single church leader other than Jesus, the Head. I have been following this blog for a while but have not commented until now. Its ok to admit more of you need to to completely clear the air. Well, I assume that you are the Dallas Jenkins referred to in the OP, but I have no way of confirming that. As another new, unforeseen door opened to bring Harvest to the Aurora area, 200 people from the Elgin Campus were sent south, opening as the Aurora Campus on January 23, 2011. really, what im saying is i think we can hold Paul and his comments loosely, just as we hold what others say loosely. Its hard to go back when you see what goes on behind the curtain. I once perceived this as a tragic loss, leading only to hopeless cynicism. Was it the mere correction of an error? The official anniversary date was September 18, 2018. Well played. Clement may be writing as if those offices are an established fact, but for all we know, they could have been set up a few years previously as an organizational attempt and they were used to it. My understanding is that Driscoll also consulted with Gateway. John: I was asked to consider serving on the elder board there three days before I leftand the topic of 1Tim 3 wasnt brought up. You were part of a workforce which brought a feeling of camaraderie and purpose and fellowship. While the vast majority of pastors and churches can be trusted, disciples who have experienced a betrayal of trust have become sobered by the thought of joining another church. There may be a general principle here, perhaps related to how many people you can know and relate to at a more than superficial level., And the cash flow in a church of 300 is not so large that it is likely to corrupt the leadership team.. According to the conference website, they will be delivering world-class communicators, high-energy worship and awesome entertainment. Sounds like church, huh?! I dont see how you could get any further from the mark in your comment. Sandy: In the history of the church, which is most seductive: money, sex, or power? It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. . Sometimes sincerely wrong. One would think that 3 years with Jesus ought to be transformative, but the Gospels seem pretty clear that the Twelve were following Jesus at least in part in hope of high office in a future visible kingly reign over Israel. That argument may not work as there are other factors to be considered. Both HBC and WBC had a plurality of Yes-Men Courtiers around a Pastor/Dictator O COME LET US ADORE HIM!. Our students have weekly gatherings with worship, teaching, and group studies designed to propel them forward in faith. Directed by Dallas Jenkins (The Resurrection of Gavin Stone) and distributed by VidAngel Studios, The Chosen has grown to become the largest crowdfunded TV series of all time. Those types rarely think of anyone but themselves. Gods blessings to you. Noevangelical: Both HBC & WC had a plurality of elders and a single pastor as the head of their church. . When I now go to a church, I want to speak with elders and listen to what they are saying and how they are behaving and whether they are willing to reveal how much the pastor is making. Every church leader should be good and honest. More and more, I am willing to settle for walking with God, and being thankful for a community of people I may never meet in this life, but who support and encourage one another in the manner God called his people to do. He produced the independent feature "Hometown Legend" at the age of 25 and shepherded it to distribution by Warner Brothers. Max: benefiting from the council of senior saints. I tracked down the World Magazine article on Jerry Jenkins gambling from which I had gleaned what little info I had and saw that it mentioned that Dallas also participated in online poker, and that another son was a dealer at a real live casino. As usual, your comments and insight are on the money, Amy Moore. After reading each post on this matter, I cannot find a single one that brings dishonor to the Lord Jesus. No more Moses behind a veil. Harvest Christian Academy, a private K-12 school with 650 students, was opened in Elgin . Agreed. i mean, do we actually believe what we say we believe? Then I read actual instructions on the veneration of Elders as of Christ himself. Tagged Harvest Bible Chapel, James MacDonald | Leave a comment. Its your choice. It is likely that he deliberately sought the chips he could cash in on anyone who might be in a position to spill the beans. so you dont. I do apologize to Dallas, and to anyone I may have misled with my faulty information. A flock without herdsmen will quickly go astray. You can ONLY imagine the slowly erupting chaos that ensued. I send my kids to a school literally run by bullies. We must realize that there are certain qualifications given concerning elders. yup, great biblical example here! I am not suggesting that this is or is not the way Jesus intended for his church. But no matter what, it will get bent quickly if thats whats happening. There is also this interesting statement by Ignatuius (martyred in 108 AD): LET EVERYONE REVERE THE DEACONS AS JESUS CHRIST, THE BISHOP AS THE IMAGE OF THE FATHER, AND THE PRESBYTERS AS THE SENATE OF GOD AND THE ASSEMBLY OF THE APOSTLES. . Does that make you manly? Sad. I have no idea how RadMan7 is there. Harvest Bible Chapel - Elgin Campus - Fall 2011 Women's Campus Groups The Elgin, Illinois campus of Harvest Bible Chapel is is lead by Senior Pastor James MacDonald. Notice that Fred brags about Negotiating more than $100 million in church mortgage financing. Single pastor, plural pastors, plurality of elders, are pastors even a thing? At the very least, they need to reveal ALL they know, including leading the charge to open all of the financial books, including known and secret accounts. 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