When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Q. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). Lets not take that lightly. My question is: why is she still locked up? The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. why didn't steve downs get custody. (He WAS shot in the back remember). I like your approach. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Anyways. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. In reply to Nick. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. That is pure bullshit. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. Speculative? I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. I would love to hear your answers to them. time it was the situation was down. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. She was found guilty. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Some of your facts arent facts at all. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Page 35 of Case History. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. Our laws are not written that way. The jurors had doubts. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. Im sure nothing I write will change that. The detective said to leave that up to the police. 4. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. It was faulty. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. Inflammatory and speculative She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? But they tended to ignore other important aspects. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. I will talk to Dianes brother. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. I dont know the woman. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? The case NEVER made sense to me. Shes guilty. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Wrong. Page 26 of Case History. Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. Are you still taking comments by email? Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Messed. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. The GSR? 3. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? They should have left her alone. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. By many accounts, her children adored her. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. They were treated very badly in this matter. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. Where to begin? If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. Everyone deserves peace. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. why didn't steve downs get custody. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Thats food for thought. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. Of course. Brewer changed his mind. 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