The first Saiga I bought did not have any problems at all, it's a matter of Quality Control at the factory. 31 0 0. Rio 12-Gauge 2-3/4 00-Buck Bulk Shotgun Shells with Dry-Storage Box I am not aware of any shotgun that is as capable as the V12 in the $800ish range. The problem arises when optics of certain shapes / sizes are placed on the rail in such position that a shell ejecting can hit the optic (think eotech) slowing/stopping/bouncing the eject . While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. I had some problems with the SGM Tac. It has failures to eject. Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. or for that matter, the Vepr 12 itself, that doesn't mean that the FFL will accept it. The Vepr-12 also incorporates a unique safety catch and bolt release mechanism. VEPR 12 Shotgun Good or Bad? I recommend the reviewer READS the owners manual first before in touches any gun. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. As a practical matter, 922r compliance is something the feds care a lot about IF you are a large scale manufacturer, but not if you are the end user. I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. My long saga was over. Well Im a good shot and either they will be dead or I will before Im done with the six rounds. Watch the video and notice how the bolt carrier bounces off the receiver when it slams home. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. How does Rails all over the place, and more after market mods than you can shake a stick at net a mere 4 for customization? It actually works and is much easier to use. We shoot through a full magazine of mix batch random ammo for a nice surprise for the shooter. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. Given that, it was easy to let the Saiga goguessing the Vepr wouldnt be much different. The follower is a bit rough in my sgm but unfortunately the fte problem happens with the factory 5 rounder also. Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. Just bought one along with a few 8 rd. I will be doing a conversion on it in the future so for now I will stick with the 5 round mags until it meets 922R. That and my EAA Match 10mm. u got stick out to them, no judge would give them cort order because they think your guns not complant By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. The gun ran better. Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope. The 1276 marking means you can shoot 3 inch shells out of this gun. Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. +1 for the Hornady buckshot. A stock AR15 generally works and could be used to compete in 3 gun though not optimally. If youre running in open division then this is definitely an option, but consider that for the same price you can have a Mossberg 930 with an XRAIL and have 22 rounds at your disposal before needing to reload, and still have a normal shotgun in every other way. Customization: * * * * Finally I had a gun that cycled smoothly and fired effortlessly! You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. Powered by Invision Community. Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. Comes standard on the CR-12 an KL-12. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell it's still a solution looking for a problem. Yes we had some problems at first but it wasn't. Hell, you gave that GI 1911 with sights part of the slide and no rails a 5. Price is a super hard one, but value could be a legit thing to rank in cases where it actually does affect the overall (and, btw, Im completely guessing as to why Nicks overall is lower than the average of the categories it could be value plus 1,000 other tiny things that didnt deserve categories of their own but brought the average down). Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. Would be a nightmare to develop. But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? $2,699.99. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, Im not gonna get into the whole bias argument.I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon. In comparison to what it would take to get a Saiga 12 to the Vepr 12 level of quality, $1200 was still a great deal. Trying to make it a skeet gone is a joke. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun It was wisely placed here making it ambidextrous. The Vepr-12 is a multipurpose semi-automatic detachable-magazine shotgun, produced by Molot-Oruzhie Ltd. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. I mean, its the truth about how this gun comes from the factory, but its not the truth about how great this gun can be with 5 minutes of time in my mechanically inclined hands. Its an improvement over the old Saiga-12, but I wouldnt judge it being twice as good. When running low brass and target loads, every single round would essentially "stovepipe" and the next round would not cycle. i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 The VPO-205 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] and 12 Gauge Magnum [18.5x76mmR] shells. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! I just bought a Vepr 12 a few weeks ago. Per 100 or 200. How can you as a journalist allow personal bias against a COMPLETELY different firearm affect your opinion of this one? They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I dont get time to even fire one round. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. I know that you have probably done this, but make sure your gas puck (I think that is what it's called) is installed in the correct orientation. I headed out to the range after re-installing everything and took three boxes of shells with me. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. Considering unconverted Saigas go for thatits a great deal. the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. i know the Accuracy: * * * * Its pretty much always the same malfunction. buy-ak47 The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. I fire the magnum slugs, I dont see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. I started out with a 12 round magazine of #8 birdshot, remington low brass. With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. All ratings are relative compared to the other weapons in the guns category. The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. The first 3 rounds cycled well, but then on the 4th, jams started happening. And Id be swapping the stock for something thats not welded open and awkward, so might as well get something American while doing that, giving you another compliance part. While I understand the concept, thats not exactly the truth about the gun. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Barrel: 19 inches Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Somethingto try and may help. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. Maybe the new name should be THEMODERATLYBIASPOINIONSONGUNS.COM. I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. Thanks man, it is sounding more and more like this is a trigger issue. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. There has been a lot of talk about these magazines having "burrs" in them fromthe mold causin issues (i had this problem personally). I took a picture of the trunnion and rear of the carrier after cleaning to show the amount of wear due to contact. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. My Saiga-12 shtogun review comes to mind, in which I detailed exactly why the gun was a piece of crap and the fan boys retorted with well, obviously you need to fix the gun before you test it! the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. Dew out of the air after it was fired by my can cannon, so I really need this resolved because I have serious uses for it like shooting two cans of dewy from the sky. Id also be really embarrassed to show up at work without pants on, but its just about as likely. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. Fanbois are fanbois. The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. No problems for me as of yet. People said the m16 was a solution in search of a problem to, Umm the XRAIL is $$$ ( I could buy two JM Mossburg 930s instead ) and puts a huge weight WAY out from the shooters body, so for less money I can pickup a 25 round drum magazine that I can slot in and out much easier than reloading the XRAIL. But still, there are problems. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Do this quite a few times until the follower moves smoothly from top to bottom. The list calls 1400fps rifled slughs high powered ammo, but i have some Hornady 9 pellet 00 that runs 1600fps. Thats what I thought. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. Because its not an AR. Or how would i go. lol. VPR-12-81. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? Instead of the traditional stock theres a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. So I ask more questions and the guys on the message board are awesome about explaining. So bottom line, great gun. Better to have more pellets and a little less penetration which is what you get with a normal 15 pellet magnum load. Vepr 12 owner here. Neither worked without gunsmithing with ANY loads. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/_DMC/DEP12.jpg. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. Hornady is one of the few companies that is honest about pellet size too. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. After receiving the gun, I put a new Chaos quad rail on, got a CSS muzzle brake, new Hogue grip, Mako GL-SHOCK stock, Molot factory AR buffer tube hinge adaptor and magazine release button extension. Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. You need to contact the seller or manufacturer for a replacement. One of the things I appreciate about your reviews is that theyre real reviews. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. Well, I got a good laugh out of that review. Own a piece of Russian legacy before it's gone. This did nothing either. Vepr 12 shotguns are designed for self-defense. Thanks guys. is this normal? I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute But it was an easy decision. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. Clear editor. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. So Second, see my comment right above yours. When you say target ammo, it's too vague as there's a hundred different kinds of target ammo. I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. Eureka!! Your link has been automatically embedded. Didnt want that to happen to a gun registered in my name. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I received the parts back within a few weeks and they looked beautiful. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I can't speak for the Saiga as I have never used one, but I LOVE my Vepr. It holds enough ammo for any situation and is easy to load on the march. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. Are about the same malfunction and dont give them anything to hang you with i never beat vepr 12 problems downstairs. 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